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it comes from brendan buck, a spokesman for the speaker of the house, john boehner. he says the speaker and leader, the leader eric cantor, laid out options to the members and listened to feedback. the lack of spending cuts in the senate bill was a universal concern among members in today's meeting. conversations with members will continue throughout the afternoon on the path forward. again, everything up in the air there, as luke has been reporting. i just want to re-emphasize what luke was talking about in terms of the congressional schedule. the constitution says the new congress, the 113th congress will be sworn in on thursday. if you look at the procedures, everything that has got to happen if this new -- if this old congress, this existing congress is to pass this legislation, if the house were to amend it -- assuming. we don't know what they'll do. it sounds like they're leaning in that direction. it would have to go back to the senate. the senate has scattered to the winds at 2:00 this morning. a lot of ifs and buts in this thing. there is the possibility thi
it comes from brendan buck, a spokesman for the speaker of the house, john boehner. he says the speaker and leader, the leader eric cantor, laid out options to the members and listened to feedback. the lack of spending cuts in the senate bill was a universal concern among members in today's meeting. conversations with members will continue throughout the afternoon on the path forward. again, everything up in the air there, as luke has been reporting. i just want to re-emphasize what luke was...
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john boehner is in really tough spot. talk about your thoughts on what he's got to be doing as far as the dance to please members of his party and try to work out a compromise. >> he's probably the person having the worst new year's eve of anybody in washington. he's got to contend with the fact he's going to need some democrats on board. he's got a caucus that doesn't like to go along with him. they don't really trust him think think he's a moderate and part of the establishment. they're looking for him to sell them out. he created more problems for himself by removing a few of those members from their committee assignment. that's part of what prompted their revolt on the plan b bill. it was kind of payback. he's made things worse for himself. it's a tough caucus to start with. many are not worried about a general election. their are worried about the primary. >> we are going to have to leave it there. sorry about that. we're just out of time. if there's a vote we'll bring that to you live. stay tuned to a special editio
john boehner is in really tough spot. talk about your thoughts on what he's got to be doing as far as the dance to please members of his party and try to work out a compromise. >> he's probably the person having the worst new year's eve of anybody in washington. he's got to contend with the fact he's going to need some democrats on board. he's got a caucus that doesn't like to go along with him. they don't really trust him think think he's a moderate and part of the establishment. they're...
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this isn't john boehner's problem to solve." seriously. that is what he said. he said don't blame us, we're just the speaker of the house of representatives and the minority leader of the u.s. senate and the guys who aren't allowing the president to pass his plan. but you know, we've got nothing to do with this. you know, congress comes first in the constitution. tax bills -- and this is going to fundamentally be a tax bill when we pass it. they have to begin in the house of representatives. they can't originate in the white house. the president can't write legislation or pass it himself. the founders would have been shocked to hear congressional leaders talking this way. but put that aside. mcconnell basically said to reid i can't help on this one. how did harry reid respond? this way. >> speaker boehner should call members of the house back to washington today. he shouldn't have let them go, in fact. they're not here. they are not here. john boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership than about keeping the nation on firm financial footing. >> ri
this isn't john boehner's problem to solve." seriously. that is what he said. he said don't blame us, we're just the speaker of the house of representatives and the minority leader of the u.s. senate and the guys who aren't allowing the president to pass his plan. but you know, we've got nothing to do with this. you know, congress comes first in the constitution. tax bills -- and this is going to fundamentally be a tax bill when we pass it. they have to begin in the house of...
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you'll also see john boehner meeting with his conference at 1:00 p.m. i've been told by folks close to boehner that these -- it is by no means a done deal. he is keeping the door open to possibly amending the senate bill. now you think with the 9 votes they wouldn't want to do that, they'd want to put this to bed. but the house republicans have been known to scuttle these types of deals in the 11th hour before. there is some optimism on the senate side but over to the house side, if all goes to plan and they approve it all maybe we see a vote in the early evening but it could very much go into tomorrow if amended. >> you mentioned vice president biden coming back to step in again. it certainly seemed like he swoopd in at the 11th hour and helped bring this together. apparently he was very critical to these discussions. >> he's the closer. if you saw what he did yesterday, he was able to come back, talk to his senate colleagues he served with, some of them for decades, and say look. this is a really good deal, the best we can get. here are our advantages
you'll also see john boehner meeting with his conference at 1:00 p.m. i've been told by folks close to boehner that these -- it is by no means a done deal. he is keeping the door open to possibly amending the senate bill. now you think with the 9 votes they wouldn't want to do that, they'd want to put this to bed. but the house republicans have been known to scuttle these types of deals in the 11th hour before. there is some optimism on the senate side but over to the house side, if all goes to...
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that may be a little tougher sell for john boehner than it is for nancy pelosi. we're keeping our eye on these movements. this deal that was reached by vice president biden and the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell gained the support of most, but not all senate republicans. one who voted in the affirmative. senator, thank you for joining us. >> good to be with you, chris. >> let's talk a little bit about how this thing moves forward. is it your assumption that at the end of the day the republicans and the democrats on the house side will have voted yes and that it will be on to the next battle? >> i believe that's right. it's looking like they won't vote, however, until tomorrow or possibly the day after. i do think ultimately they will pass the legislation, and then we've got to work diligently on finding real savings to address the deficit and the debt as well as bipartisan entitlement reform to preserve -- to save those programs for the long-term. >> well, let me ask you, first, about this idea that that might -- the vote might not come together. certainl
that may be a little tougher sell for john boehner than it is for nancy pelosi. we're keeping our eye on these movements. this deal that was reached by vice president biden and the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell gained the support of most, but not all senate republicans. one who voted in the affirmative. senator, thank you for joining us. >> good to be with you, chris. >> let's talk a little bit about how this thing moves forward. is it your assumption that at the end of the...
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where does this leave embattled house speaker john boehner? reed wilson is editor-in-chief for national journal's hotline. thank you both for being here today. ryan, let's talk about what we'll see in the house. do you expect a full scale revolt from conservative members who vowed to vote against any tax increase? >> well, i don't know. we'll find out early this afternoon. what i'm hearing is that the conservative members have three major problems with the bill that came over from the senate. one is that there are no spending cuts included. two is that they don't believe that the offsets for the sequester are legitimate. they think this i.r.a. to roth i.r. as is bogus and three they don't think the extension of emergency unemployment is unpaid for. so they're going to be pushing to amend it one way or another. they'll be pushing to add spending cuts to it or maybe some type of pay for unemployment or redoing the way the sequester is paid for. if they do that, and if they do it in a kind of poison pill way and send it back to the senate, the se
where does this leave embattled house speaker john boehner? reed wilson is editor-in-chief for national journal's hotline. thank you both for being here today. ryan, let's talk about what we'll see in the house. do you expect a full scale revolt from conservative members who vowed to vote against any tax increase? >> well, i don't know. we'll find out early this afternoon. what i'm hearing is that the conservative members have three major problems with the bill that came over from the...
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you know, john boehner is going to have to take a big chance. the strategy all along, frankly on the part of the white house, and certain leaders in the senate was to simply box him in. remember, it was a week ago when john boehner put that bill on the floor, his so-called plan b, more than a week ago to raise taxes only on those individuals making more than a million dollars a year. obviously, that crashed and burned. and so the question if he couldn't get that through his gop caucus here in the house of representatives how on earth is he going to do something that sets that threshhold even lower? so really, the threshhold question, is john boehner as the republican speaker of the house going to allow a bill to pass of this magnitude with primarily democratic support? and i think that is an open question at this point. but the strategy all along was to sort of box him in. and have the senate -- you know, they get 70 senators on this point, it is bipartisans, democrats and republicans alike, then john boehner will have to go to his people and sa
you know, john boehner is going to have to take a big chance. the strategy all along, frankly on the part of the white house, and certain leaders in the senate was to simply box him in. remember, it was a week ago when john boehner put that bill on the floor, his so-called plan b, more than a week ago to raise taxes only on those individuals making more than a million dollars a year. obviously, that crashed and burned. and so the question if he couldn't get that through his gop caucus here in...
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the way john boehner leads is he says the house is the will of the american people. with cantor coming out against this, you heard from mr. latourette, it would be very hard for john boehner to move ahead of eric cantor and try to put this bill on the floor without it being amended. >> luke, stand by. mike viqueira is also with us this hour to bring us up to date. one of the points brought up by luke russert when he was speaking with representative latourette was the number that could support the bill as it stands right now, that number that representative latourette was just putting out there was 40 to 50. as we know, that magic number is 218. >> reporter: yeah. here is another number, 89. 89 people in the united states senate voted for this thing and one more number for you, richard, 5. 5 people voting against it. of the eight who voted against it in total were republicans. the thought was that such a strong vote with carry the day in the house of representatives. they would see the political and economic writing on the wall. evidently that's not going to happen or
the way john boehner leads is he says the house is the will of the american people. with cantor coming out against this, you heard from mr. latourette, it would be very hard for john boehner to move ahead of eric cantor and try to put this bill on the floor without it being amended. >> luke, stand by. mike viqueira is also with us this hour to bring us up to date. one of the points brought up by luke russert when he was speaking with representative latourette was the number that could...
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john boehner is in an impossible situation. i guess no one else wants the job. but that suggests that house republicans, as a force, even though they're the majority, are not a factor in these critical discussions facing the count try and the federal government at this time. again, that's a bad strategy, a bad place for them to be in, when they just won re-election. >> do you have a good sense, richard, of how many republicans or maybe democrats for that matter, aren't so worried about going over the fiscal cliff at this point? >> i don't actually buy this argument that people are happy going over the fiscal cliff. they can see how damaging it is politically. they also are looking forward to the next fight about the debt ceiling, which is going to be even more damaging. so they always say it's the other guy who wants to go over the fiscal cliff. i don't hear people going out and saying i think it's a good idea that everyone pays more taxes or there are these deep spending cuts. they're all pretending like they know everyone else's strategy. it's about coming to
john boehner is in an impossible situation. i guess no one else wants the job. but that suggests that house republicans, as a force, even though they're the majority, are not a factor in these critical discussions facing the count try and the federal government at this time. again, that's a bad strategy, a bad place for them to be in, when they just won re-election. >> do you have a good sense, richard, of how many republicans or maybe democrats for that matter, aren't so worried about...
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not john boehner. john boehner's allowed himself to be captured by the fellows. he is above and beyond that. i think he's basically trying to do the right thing but he can't get a vote out of his own party for his own legislation. who does he turn to? the president of the united states? more worried about getting a proposition from the president to turn down then what proposition is he talking about? i think the president has been more than willing to compromise and the democrats in the house of representatives. we need 30 votes to get beyond our 190 that we have now. 191 in the house and 218 to pass anything. i think if harry reid does it, fine. let him do it. we need to think of what the country needs more than what each party does and concerned about the election on january 3rd? if nothing happens, he may have to worry about the election, john boehner. what i would advise him to do, he doesn't seek my advice, let me give you some advice. be what you want to be. do what you have to do. and democrats will support you if you do that. >> do you think at this point
not john boehner. john boehner's allowed himself to be captured by the fellows. he is above and beyond that. i think he's basically trying to do the right thing but he can't get a vote out of his own party for his own legislation. who does he turn to? the president of the united states? more worried about getting a proposition from the president to turn down then what proposition is he talking about? i think the president has been more than willing to compromise and the democrats in the house...
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harry reid and john boehner for instance said -- the speaker saying the senate should take it up. harry reid is speaking on the floor. let's take a listen. >> because americans' taxes are approaching the wrong direction come the first of this year, americans will have less income than they have today. if we go over the cliff, the house of representatives, as we speak, with four days left after today before the first of the year aren't here with the speaker having told them they'll give them 48 hours notice. i can't imagine their consciences where they are around the country and we're here trying to get something done. they are not in washington, d.c. the house of representatives are not here. they couldn't even get the leadership together yesterday. they had to do it with a teleconference. republican leadership. if we go over the cliff, we'll be left with the knowledge that could have been about a single vote. mr. speaker, prior to this session starting today, the presiding officer and i had a conversation about how things have changed around here. i served in the house of represe
harry reid and john boehner for instance said -- the speaker saying the senate should take it up. harry reid is speaking on the floor. let's take a listen. >> because americans' taxes are approaching the wrong direction come the first of this year, americans will have less income than they have today. if we go over the cliff, the house of representatives, as we speak, with four days left after today before the first of the year aren't here with the speaker having told them they'll give...
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john boehner, this is a tough spot for john boehner. the house and a lot of people have said that his speakership could be threatened by this. so far, we see no sign of that. but, you know, he's in a position now where he is going to have to allow this -- probably going to have to allow this bill to hit the floor and the house and not going to get a majority of republican support. that is something that no speaker of the house of representatives, whether republican or democrat, does with any kind of frequency at all. it's considered almost a heresy. so, you know, everybody sort of recognizes the box that john boehner is in, but it's not going to really do him any good in terms of support among conservatives. there are some winners and losers here. but this fight is not over, maura. that's the bottom line. >> you mentioned vice president biden swooping in at the last minute like superman and being able to secure this deal and that's certainly the perception a lot of people had. we heard mitch mcconnell speaking on the floor and he said t
john boehner, this is a tough spot for john boehner. the house and a lot of people have said that his speakership could be threatened by this. so far, we see no sign of that. but, you know, he's in a position now where he is going to have to allow this -- probably going to have to allow this bill to hit the floor and the house and not going to get a majority of republican support. that is something that no speaker of the house of representatives, whether republican or democrat, does with any...
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the comments drew a quick response to john boehner who said republicans made every effort to reach the balanced deficit agreement that the president promised the people. we have been responsible and reasonable. the president is the one who has never been able to get to yes. we are learning that the fiscal cliff talks have hit a major setback today. joining us is oklahoma congressman tom cole. what are you hearing? are you hopeful that there is a deal today? >> i am probably the last optimist in washington. all the parties that can make a deal are in town. that is a step in the right direction. there is very serious negotiations going on now between senator mcconnell and leader reed. they have found common ground. i wouldn't be surprised that there are bumps along the way but the senate will get something done and it moves to the house. and what senate would be extraordinary important. >> until now it appeared negotiations centered around a small deal that would likely extend bush tax cuts for all but high earners and extend unemployment benefits for people set to lose them on january 2
the comments drew a quick response to john boehner who said republicans made every effort to reach the balanced deficit agreement that the president promised the people. we have been responsible and reasonable. the president is the one who has never been able to get to yes. we are learning that the fiscal cliff talks have hit a major setback today. joining us is oklahoma congressman tom cole. what are you hearing? are you hopeful that there is a deal today? >> i am probably the last...
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you saw right before christmas, speaker john boehner tried to move his own independent plan to raise taxes on income levels over a million dollars and he wasn't able to do that successfully. and i think it was a big sign about the difficulties he'll have even wrangling the majority of his caucus and so i think in order to get something done, anything done, to make sure that taxes don't increase on middle class americans, to make sure that the spending cuts don't start immediately, a lot of lawmakers are leary of them despite they voted for them two summers ago, they hope to set the infrastructure in place. >> well and good. but intimating here, meredith, who's going to be part of the wrangling? who's the wrangler? last time at least from what it looks like, anyone who talked about this deal, that was on friday when that happened. the president then met with harry reid and talked to john boehner by phone and we have heard harry reid is working on legislation, perhaps mitch mcconnell's involved in this, as well. so when we look at this, david, who's pulling the strings now? who will si
you saw right before christmas, speaker john boehner tried to move his own independent plan to raise taxes on income levels over a million dollars and he wasn't able to do that successfully. and i think it was a big sign about the difficulties he'll have even wrangling the majority of his caucus and so i think in order to get something done, anything done, to make sure that taxes don't increase on middle class americans, to make sure that the spending cuts don't start immediately, a lot of...
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given the fact that house speaker john boehner couldn't get his own conference to pass tax cuts for those making less than $1 million, it seems like it's still a tough drag for all those behind closed doors a short time from now. we saw the vice president joe biden arriving here in the white house within the last ten minutes or so. one attendee as it were. the other four top lawmakers from the capitol hill expected a short time from now. >> there doesn't appear to be new information to be revealed at the meeting. they have all heard what the other folks at the table have said time and time again. so, what do we expect to come out of this thing? >> reporter: it's a good question. frankly, i think we are all just going to have to wait outside the doors and find out what happens after the fact, hearing from the lawmakers inside, whether the president comes out and makes any statement of any sort. but the fact of the matter is a lot of the conversations to this point have been cryptic, behind the scenes by senior staff members on the republican and democratic sides right now. so what they com
given the fact that house speaker john boehner couldn't get his own conference to pass tax cuts for those making less than $1 million, it seems like it's still a tough drag for all those behind closed doors a short time from now. we saw the vice president joe biden arriving here in the white house within the last ten minutes or so. one attendee as it were. the other four top lawmakers from the capitol hill expected a short time from now. >> there doesn't appear to be new information to be...
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well, all eyes do now turn to the republican-controlled house and speaker john boehner. about two hours before the senate voted, the house leadership said it would take a wait-and-see approach. "decisions about whether the house will seek to accept or promptly amend the measure will not be made until house members and the american people have been able to review the legislation." with me now, "the washington post's" david machimura and steve toma, chief political correspondent for "mclatchy" newspapers. good morning. >> good morning. >> happy new year. >> happy new year. david, let's talk about what we're going to see in the house. obviously, if it passes, a lot of people will probably be voting yes while they're holding their nose, but could there also be a revolt from conservative members that could threaten this bill? >> i think, chris, you can never predict completely smooth passage, especially in the house, but i think the senate wouldn't feel this confident about the bill had there not been some discussion between the two chambers. and i think if you look back to a
well, all eyes do now turn to the republican-controlled house and speaker john boehner. about two hours before the senate voted, the house leadership said it would take a wait-and-see approach. "decisions about whether the house will seek to accept or promptly amend the measure will not be made until house members and the american people have been able to review the legislation." with me now, "the washington post's" david machimura and steve toma, chief political...
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>> they scuttled john boehner's plan. will they accept a deal for $400,000 for single people and $450,000 for couples? >> it is extremely difficult to do that. i talked to a couple of aides shortly after obama spoke and they actually were angry at the way the president presented the way things are coming. they actually thought that he was sort of sabotaging the thing by the gleeful almost presentation he gave with the applause when he talked about congress and the laughter. so it's going to be really hard for them to suck it up and i don't think that made it any easier. >> well, i have a little bit of a philosophical question for you, michael. the thought occurs to me that this is why we can't have nice things. we had the debt ceiling showdown. even before that, we had multiple threats of government shutdown over things like funding of planned parenthood and even if we get through this with a deal, we may have another debt ceiling showdown. are we at the point in history where we cannot get anything done and nothing will
>> they scuttled john boehner's plan. will they accept a deal for $400,000 for single people and $450,000 for couples? >> it is extremely difficult to do that. i talked to a couple of aides shortly after obama spoke and they actually were angry at the way the president presented the way things are coming. they actually thought that he was sort of sabotaging the thing by the gleeful almost presentation he gave with the applause when he talked about congress and the laughter. so it's...
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it's going to put john boehner, the republican speaker of the house, in a very tough jam. folks want this to happen. this deal has been struck. and maura, one other thing, these mandatory cuts, you may have heard of them called the sequester that were to go into effect today that were the result of the last budget deal that they made. they were to be delayed for two months that will coincide with the debt ceiling that needed to be raised. the united states exceeding its federal debt. that requires an act of congress to raise it. so all of these things are going to come together in two months time and people are already now predicting a fight, if you can believe this, even bigger than the one we've just witnessed over the past several weeks, maura. >> and looking forward to what happens next, you mentioned the house and both speaker boehner and nancy pelosi said they would consider the plan, although nancy pelosi did not go as far as to endorse it. what can we expect in terms of the house as far as how we can receive this? >> i've got to tell you, the veteran congressional
it's going to put john boehner, the republican speaker of the house, in a very tough jam. folks want this to happen. this deal has been struck. and maura, one other thing, these mandatory cuts, you may have heard of them called the sequester that were to go into effect today that were the result of the last budget deal that they made. they were to be delayed for two months that will coincide with the debt ceiling that needed to be raised. the united states exceeding its federal debt. that...
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john boehner's speakership took a hit. you can debate how big or how small. he put a lot of weight in his political backing behind plan b and couldn't bring it up for a vote. can john boehner bring a senate passed bill to the house floor that does not have a majority of the republican majority who will vote for it and sort of retain his power as speaker? what's your assessment on that? it seems very unlikely at this point that a majority of the 234 republicans are going to be voting for anything that the senate produces. >> well, i think that republicans will realize that the speaker has done everything he can, and by not supporting plan b, they set up kind of a high pressure hold, if you lshgs of expectations. however, remember, that was the majority of republicans. if you had the democrats voting on a new alternative from the senate, then you only need, say, 25 or 30 republican votes, and you'll get enough. the reason why is because people will say, you know, we've made the case to continue the current tax rates as is. we did not win on that. now do we want
john boehner's speakership took a hit. you can debate how big or how small. he put a lot of weight in his political backing behind plan b and couldn't bring it up for a vote. can john boehner bring a senate passed bill to the house floor that does not have a majority of the republican majority who will vote for it and sort of retain his power as speaker? what's your assessment on that? it seems very unlikely at this point that a majority of the 234 republicans are going to be voting for...
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that certainly wasn't the case with john boehner. so i think in that room they're probably bemoaning how hard they have to work to actually line up all these pieces to get their troops behind them and, frankly, they can't know whether those troops are going to be there, especially in the house. but that's probably the way they've been operating. >> jared bernstein, thank you very much for coming on. help new y help new year. >> same to you, jonathan. stay with us. ing. ring. progresso. i just served my mother-in-law your chicken noodle soup everyone tells a little white lie now and then. but now she wants my recipe [ clears his throat ] [ softly ] she's right behind me isn't she? [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. we can afford to take an extra trip this year. first boston... then san francisco. hotwire checks the competitions' rates every day so they can guarantee their low prices. so our hotels were half price. ♪ h-o-t-w-i-r-e... ♪ hotwire.com >>> nbc news is reporting there will not be a vote in the house
that certainly wasn't the case with john boehner. so i think in that room they're probably bemoaning how hard they have to work to actually line up all these pieces to get their troops behind them and, frankly, they can't know whether those troops are going to be there, especially in the house. but that's probably the way they've been operating. >> jared bernstein, thank you very much for coming on. help new y help new year. >> same to you, jonathan. stay with us. ing. ring....
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boehner elected speaker, later that week or the next week, that's my guess having observed it several years. sometime january 10th, let's say, to pull a date out of the air, a thursday. anyway, i have no crystal ball. >> no offense. >> no pun intended, right? >> yes. but actually -- i do have one. back to you. let's quit while i'm behind. >> peter, you want to place any bets and get in on the pool there? >> reporter: as long as it's not cash on the table, we might as well. i'm thinking this thing has to happen by the same week, i think a couple of days before mike mentioned but i think that's when it's likely to happen and clear this is as mike noted all about principles right now. >> i do want to quickly on the next issue coming down the pike, the debt ceiling as mike noted, that's set to expire. they can sort of extend it moving money around but i thought bernstein had an interesting take on how the president may approach the debt ceiling. you either negotiate with terrorists or you don't. i take the president at his word that it's "b." how do you think the president will approach t
boehner elected speaker, later that week or the next week, that's my guess having observed it several years. sometime january 10th, let's say, to pull a date out of the air, a thursday. anyway, i have no crystal ball. >> no offense. >> no pun intended, right? >> yes. but actually -- i do have one. back to you. let's quit while i'm behind. >> peter, you want to place any bets and get in on the pool there? >> reporter: as long as it's not cash on the table, we might...
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a huge moment before the holidays where john boehner was unable to bring his bill up. what is the mood in the house, both democrats and republicans? are you guys just playing wait-and-see? do you have an expectation that if the senate passes something, the house is at least going to take it up? >> well, that has to happen, as you just said, in order to get this done. the house not only would have to take up an agreement that came out of the senate, obviously, we'd need a majority vote, republicans joining with democrats to get something done, which is why as the senators and the white house negotiate this deal, they do have to keep an important eye on the house, because ultimately, you're going to have to have people come together in a bipartisan way to get this done. you're not going to be able to get an agreement passed with just republicans. and so, it's important that they keep in mind the coalition of democrats and republicans that will have to come together to vote for something. >> now, congressman, obviously, let's say something passes through the senate. the g
a huge moment before the holidays where john boehner was unable to bring his bill up. what is the mood in the house, both democrats and republicans? are you guys just playing wait-and-see? do you have an expectation that if the senate passes something, the house is at least going to take it up? >> well, that has to happen, as you just said, in order to get this done. the house not only would have to take up an agreement that came out of the senate, obviously, we'd need a majority vote,...
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john boehner -- >> but mitch mcconnell did reach ute to the president. do you see that as posturing, we're doing our best, or do you think the republicans are serious and feeling pressure about making a deal? >> i don't think they feel that much pressure. i think they feel -- they feel a little bit of pressure but feel more pressure from their base and from the right, and that is especially true in the house among the house caucus. the whole reason for that plan b fiasco, of course, that boehner pulled before christmas, was that his more conservative members wouldn't agree to any tax increase at all, even on incomes above $1 million a year. the pressure they feel is from the right, and believe me, you look down the list of the republicans in the house of representatives and try to look and see what percentage of the vote barack obama got in their districts. which is a good barometer of how much kind of pressure they might feel to moderate. barack obama got 38%, 42% in most of their districts. they don't care about what democrats in their districts think.
john boehner -- >> but mitch mcconnell did reach ute to the president. do you see that as posturing, we're doing our best, or do you think the republicans are serious and feeling pressure about making a deal? >> i don't think they feel that much pressure. i think they feel -- they feel a little bit of pressure but feel more pressure from their base and from the right, and that is especially true in the house among the house caucus. the whole reason for that plan b fiasco, of course,...
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and john boehner, the speaker out house, the individual with whom the president is negotiating for, gosh, a year and a half now and trying to do a lot of things and trying to avert the fiscal cliff, no plans announced for him to return to washington. the house of representatives, their public stand, the republican leadership at any rate is that it is up to the senate to act. and the president before he left for hawaii last friday pointed out that there is a senate bill. he said he'll try to get a smaller bill and does what he said all along and raise tax rates on those couples filing jointly making more than $250,000 a year and extending unemployment benefits, something that is very important to a lot of americans who have been out of work for a very long time. one problem there, thomas. the very same bill or very near identical bill passed the senate last summer and languishing in the house of representatives. the threshold question has been and remains will the house of representatives stroet do something that a majority of republicans would go against? highly unlikely, thomas, and mor
and john boehner, the speaker out house, the individual with whom the president is negotiating for, gosh, a year and a half now and trying to do a lot of things and trying to avert the fiscal cliff, no plans announced for him to return to washington. the house of representatives, their public stand, the republican leadership at any rate is that it is up to the senate to act. and the president before he left for hawaii last friday pointed out that there is a senate bill. he said he'll try to get...
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by the way, there is at this point in time no crazy, like, right-wing fall to get rid of john boehner. they don't have the votes to get rid of him. >> he is still going to be speaker. >> even if he passes with democratic votes, fine. so he passes it. here's the problem. what i don't understand is that everyone is screaming about deficit reduction. don't forget who asked and demanded for deficit reduction. when i talked to a capitol hill staffer, here's what he said. he said -- this is very important -- "if it's a status quo election some kind of deal that staifz off sec quest rags. >> the republicans. >> i have to say it, it is the republicans that the point that are arguing against deficit reduction. they want to cancel the see quester, which is military spending cut. >> only on their terms. >> they would like spending cuts, but they would like -- they won't be ebbing mrift about exactly how do do it. >> i want to give luke the last word on this. >> is there a chance? just your kind of read on the final word on this, do we end today with some kind of a deal, or do they punt this and
by the way, there is at this point in time no crazy, like, right-wing fall to get rid of john boehner. they don't have the votes to get rid of him. >> he is still going to be speaker. >> even if he passes with democratic votes, fine. so he passes it. here's the problem. what i don't understand is that everyone is screaming about deficit reduction. don't forget who asked and demanded for deficit reduction. when i talked to a capitol hill staffer, here's what he said. he said -- this...
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the question is will house speaker john boehner bring this to a vote. the politics of this are such that there will be a considerable amount of pressure on house republicans to bring this to a vote, in large part if it does pass through the senate. so we'll have to see. those are some big ifs. but things are moving forward. and again, to underscore kelly's point, this is a very large development. >> it will be a new year's eve to remember for sure. lots of nail biting, kristen. thank you so much. kristen welker and kelly o'donnell there for us. we're going to continue our breaking coverage and the last-minute breakthrough when we come back. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. it's not for colds. it's not for pain. it's just for sleep. because sleep is a beautiful thing™. ♪ zzzquil™. the non-habit forming sleep-aid from the makers of nyquil®. by showing you the apartment building where the fire was. when things like this happen, i think you find a new perspective on life. red cross put us in a hotel so we were able to stay together. we'
the question is will house speaker john boehner bring this to a vote. the politics of this are such that there will be a considerable amount of pressure on house republicans to bring this to a vote, in large part if it does pass through the senate. so we'll have to see. those are some big ifs. but things are moving forward. and again, to underscore kelly's point, this is a very large development. >> it will be a new year's eve to remember for sure. lots of nail biting, kristen. thank you...
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boehner created in the '90s, a house banking scandal. he lost his career, he lost his reputation, he was put on trial, exonerated, but he spent the last 20 years unappreciated. and he died this year. and i think he deserves a little recognition. joe early. >> phyllis diller. trail blazing comedian. >> i have two. different men, their losses will be felt in different worlds. >> but they rose to fame in the same era, and i'm very sorry to see go whitney houston. we're going to be back with more of our last word holiday show. ♪ mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. over the south pacific in 1943. i got mine in iraq, 2003. usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection, and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. ♪ >>> welcome back to "the last word," holiday party. our new category is the biggest surprise of 2012. karen finney
boehner created in the '90s, a house banking scandal. he lost his career, he lost his reputation, he was put on trial, exonerated, but he spent the last 20 years unappreciated. and he died this year. and i think he deserves a little recognition. joe early. >> phyllis diller. trail blazing comedian. >> i have two. different men, their losses will be felt in different worlds. >> but they rose to fame in the same era, and i'm very sorry to see go whitney houston. we're going to...
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boehner created in the '90s, a house banking scandal. he lost his career, put on trial, exonerated, but he spent the last 20 years unappreciated. and i think he deserves recognition, joe early. >> phyllis diller. >> they were key makers. >> and rose to fame in the same era, i am very sorry to see go whitney houston. we're going to be back with more of our last word holiday show. ♪ [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just finished a bowl of your new light chicken pot pie soup and it's so rich and creamy... is it really 100 calories? let me put you on webcan... ...lean roasted chicken... and a creamy broth mmm i can still see you. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. ♪ >>> welcome back to "the last word," holiday party. our new category is the biggest surprise of 2012. karen finney, what was the biggest surprise of 2012. >> that we were able to call the election around 11:00. >> i actually thought it would happen, by the time we got to california, closing time we would know. >> i really thought it would be a much big
boehner created in the '90s, a house banking scandal. he lost his career, put on trial, exonerated, but he spent the last 20 years unappreciated. and i think he deserves recognition, joe early. >> phyllis diller. >> they were key makers. >> and rose to fame in the same era, i am very sorry to see go whitney houston. we're going to be back with more of our last word holiday show. ♪ [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just finished a bowl of your new light chicken pot pie soup...
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i think the priorities for john boehner may have been turned around. jared is an old jazz fan, as am i, and he knows that miles davis had a song called "so what" and i think that might be the background music right now as all the posturing is going on in public. the simple fact of the matter is that they are setting up the process for working out a deal after they have scared the daylights out of everybody, and it would seem to me that to quote another song, which is "what are you going to be doing new year's eve," i think that we'll be finding that these people are still hard at it and maybe calling congress into session tomorrow night which is a really rotten way to end the year. >> jared, explain for our viewers what it really means to go over the cliff. >> well, first of all, as a former jazz bassist i have to appreciate the citing of "so what" because that's a bass feature. look, i've got to say. going over the cliff at this point i think is better than accepting a bad deal, and i don't think that we should operate from the perspective that going
i think the priorities for john boehner may have been turned around. jared is an old jazz fan, as am i, and he knows that miles davis had a song called "so what" and i think that might be the background music right now as all the posturing is going on in public. the simple fact of the matter is that they are setting up the process for working out a deal after they have scared the daylights out of everybody, and it would seem to me that to quote another song, which is "what are...
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house speaker john boehner wanted it much higher at about a million dollars. this is somewhere in between. also, an extension of the unemployment insurance benefits. they're still hashing out some of the final details but it does appear as though the vice president was key in helping these negotiations to move forward. >> the negotiations go on there, kristen, we are watching the senate floor as they discuss the very details of that and debate it. keith, to you on this. political pointing out, biden's inclusion sets up a good cop/bad cop xen arroyo here among the democrats with the vice president and senator harry reid, those particular characters if you will in these negotiations. and was said by kristen that vice president -- the vice president and mitch mcconnell spoke at 12:45 a.m. and again this morning at 6:30 a.m. how do democrats use the good cop/bad cop to their advantage? >> i think the democrats have some sort of unanimity, not complete unanimity of opinion about the tax increase issue. the exact number i think is an area of negotiation that democra
house speaker john boehner wanted it much higher at about a million dollars. this is somewhere in between. also, an extension of the unemployment insurance benefits. they're still hashing out some of the final details but it does appear as though the vice president was key in helping these negotiations to move forward. >> the negotiations go on there, kristen, we are watching the senate floor as they discuss the very details of that and debate it. keith, to you on this. political pointing...